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Lengthy-Time period Monetary Wellness for Your Household With Michael Stevens

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Katie: Hiya, and welcome to the “Wellness Mama” podcast. I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com and wellnesse.com, my new private care line. That’s Wellnesse with an E on the tip. This episode deviates from the bodily points of well being, however into one other space that can be essential, and that’s monetary wellness and long-term monetary wellbeing as a result of statistically, monetary struggles are a serious supply of stress for many people and in addition a serious supply of relationship stress for a lot of {couples}. I believe this final 12 months has made that much more acute for lots of people. And I believed it was necessary to start out a dialog round this subject.

I’m right here with Michael Stevens who runs capitalwealth.com. And he’s been considered one of my factors of contact for determining a few of these methods myself. And I needed to share them with you guys right now. We go into from very fundamental degree issues like financial savings versus investing and what sort of methods to arrange for this after which additionally into some much less well-known, however tax helpful methods that you need to use for your loved ones, even that children can typically use from a younger age that result in long-term wealth. He breaks down a few of his most used methods along with his shoppers and in addition provides some suggestions for constructing a powerful basis for lifelong monetary well being along with your children. Like I mentioned, undoubtedly a special subject, however I believe an important one, particularly proper now. So, with out additional ado, let’s be a part of Mike. Mike Stevens, welcome to the podcast.

Michael: Hey Katie, I’m excited to be right here, and thanks for having me.

Katie: I’m so excited to talk with you as a result of any of my longtime listeners know I cowl an entire lot of subjects associated to well being and wellness. And once we take a look at the statistics, it looks as if funds are literally a serious supply of stress for lots of people. And I’ve talked about stress lots on right here as a result of it has a cascade impact into each space of our life. However I believe funds are a giant supply of stress. And this previous 12 months has compounded that even for lots of people, and particularly for lots of households. And you’re the greatest professional I do know within the space of economic wellness. And I believed it could be actually related and necessary to, type of, delve into this space, particularly from the main focus of what we will do as households to organize and have higher monetary wellness in our every day lives. And in order that’s why I used to be so excited to deliver you on. I do know it is a massive subject and there’s numerous completely different instructions we’re gonna go. However to start out us off broad, are you able to simply, type of, give us an summary of the work that you just do with regards to monetary wellness and preparedness?

Michael: Yeah, completely. And thanks a lot for having me on as a visitor. Katie, I do know that numerous your listeners, such as you mentioned, are into the bodily points of well being and wellness. However once more, like what you had been saying, the monetary side of well being and wellness is so necessary. So, what we actually concentrate on at my agency, Capital Wealth Advisors, is giving folks peace of thoughts and readability with their funds. And I all the time inform those that we don’t work for Wall Avenue. We work for our consumer’s greatest curiosity. And that’s actually necessary. I might say, before everything, as an advisor, it’s important to be working with somebody who’s a fiduciary. And it’d be no completely different than going to a health care provider that doesn’t actually care about what’s happening in your life versus somebody that, you realize, they’re invested in ensuring that you just succeed. So numerous what we find yourself doing is taking a look at issues from a complete standpoint to present folks monetary peace and wellness of their life in order that they will benefit from the issues with household and associates, and simply the objectives that they wanna obtain of their life.

Katie: Yeah, that’s so necessary. What are a few of these issues that you just begin to have a look at? As a result of I do know from my very own, type of, journey during the last 15 years of being married and having children, within the very starting, funds had been so tight that it was simply really like month-to-month survival to pay payments. And it took a mindset shift for me as, like, we began to have the ability to develop issues somewhat bit to have the ability to be actually sensible with these sources and determine the best way to put them in locations that might result in development and safety over time. So what are a few of these elements that you just take a look at? Clearly, I’m certain individuals are beginning in numerous completely different locations. However what do you begin by taking a look at?

Michael: Completely. You already know, our core specialty is working with people who find themselves nearing retirement or in retirement, however we assist folks from each stage of the sport. And, you realize, sooner or later in my life, I used to be simply starting as effectively too identical to you and your husband. And the actually necessary factor for folks to comprehend is that it’s not as daunting as what it appears. And now, with the web and issues like YouTube and nice books, there’s numerous actually good sources to make use of to have the ability to plan your monetary future. You already know, there’s that previous Chinese language proverb that claims, “The perfect time to plant a tree was 20 years in the past. After which the second-best time is now.” So, the rationale why I’m sharing that with the listeners right here is as a result of I simply wanna encourage folks, don’t wait as a result of should you begin small, and simply preserve going and construct off that momentum, someday, you’re gonna look again and go, “Wow, I’m so glad that I began. I had no thought I might make that massive of a distinction.”

Katie: Completely. And that’s one other nice corollary with well being as effectively is, you realize, like, any type of coaching or getting wholesome, the very best time to start out is a extremely very long time in the past. The second-best time is correct now. And people issues construct over time slowly that generally you don’t even discover, till someday it’s a extremely profound change. And also you talked about working extra with folks as they get near retirement. And I do know I’ve seen statistics that it looks as if because the generations have gone, individuals are making ready much less and fewer, not even simply saving much less and fewer from a financial perspective, however making ready much less and fewer for that. And it virtually looks as if what we used to think about as the concept of retirement has morphed as effectively. Like, we don’t see folks sometimes as typically working for a similar firm and having simply retirement advantages that completely present for them as they become old. Is that what you’re discovering as effectively?

Michael: Yeah, completely. And I believe numerous it has to do with the best way our society is changing into. Beforehand, you realize, our grandparents, they weren’t into prompt gratification as a lot as we are actually with having the ability to scroll on Fb or Instagram and, type of, get an endorphin hit, simply from what we want proper now. You’ll be able to watch, you realize, video on demand with Netflix., and so on. However the entire thing is, is that I might inform folks that you just don’t wanna commerce your monetary peace of thoughts for being an impulsive purchaser. And what I imply by that’s that that you must be devoted and say, “Look, I’ve a purpose that I wanna retire.” And truthfully, Katie, the earlier that somebody will get began on this, the higher it’s gonna be. It actually has a compound impact. Identical to you mentioned, on well being and wellness, the identical factor goes for monetary. In the event you can say, “I’m gonna be devoted and I’m gonna put apart X quantity of {dollars} a month, or hey, I’m not gonna be an impulsive purchaser and exit and purchase one thing immediately simply because I would like it,” you’re gonna discover that you just’re gonna save much more cash.

And whereas it’s, you realize, all the time enjoyable to maintain up with the Joneses, there is a component of stress that comes together with that. And, you realize, I’ve seen folks which are among the most happiest folks of their life, they dwell a really modest way of life, they usually take pleasure in their time with their household and associates however they don’t have issues like debt hanging over them. And that’s actually tense for lots of people. So, I might simply recommend to anybody listening, should you haven’t already began, simply have a disciplined plan. And it doesn’t imply that it’s important to dwell on any, type of, finances the place you’re consuming simply rice and beans, however do issues like pay your self first. I’m additionally a giant proponent of charity as effectively. So, taking a few of your cash that you just’re incomes and paying it ahead, I discover that helps you be extra pleased in life while you’re blessing the lives of different folks as a result of actually, that’s what cash is. Cash is a device, and you need to use cash to amplify your self. And should you’re an excellent particular person, and also you give your time, and also you give cash, and also you’re disciplined, you’re gonna discover much more happiness in your life.

Katie: So what are a few of these particular issues that individuals can begin to study and begin to prioritize after they get to the purpose of getting, hopefully, money owed paid off, issues like that? Is there, like, a triage that you just work by means of with folks after they are available in and determining the highest priorities and the place these sources will be greatest used?

Michael: Yeah, I’m actually glad that you just requested that query as a result of there’s about three issues that we take a look at for folks. One is charges. Charges matter. And I hope that each one the listeners listening to this may all the time keep in mind this analogy. However charges are like working into the wind with a parachute on. It’s gonna actually sluggish you again. And if you concentrate on it, when anybody goes all the way down to, you realize, like Las Vegas or one thing, you’ve got all these lovely casinos. Clearly, they’re constructed due to what folks have misplaced. Financially, these casinos are constructed up they usually’re actually fairly. The identical goes for Wall Avenue. You already know, Wall Avenue have these lovely ivory towers. You already know, while you stroll in, there’s, you realize, marble, and granite, and stuff everywhere. That’s due to charges. So, we attempt to encourage folks simply to know first, what are the charges that they’re paying of their monetary points of their funding life? And should you don’t know what your charges are, then attain out to your advisor. And should you don’t have an advisor, begin doing somewhat little bit of analysis and determining what the charges are as a result of charges completely make a distinction.

The following factor that I inform folks is taxes. And folks all the time take a look at me sideways after I discuss taxes. And right here’s the rationale why it’s so necessary to know about taxes while you’re speaking about investments. My dad taught me early in life, it’s not how a lot you make, it’s how a lot you retain that counts. So, proper now, consider it or not, taxes are on sale. In the event you go all the best way again to 1913, that’s when taxes started in america. Taxes have gone actually, actually excessive earlier than. I’ll share with you a real story. Ronald Reagan, earlier than he was the president, he was an actor. Ronald Reagan would solely make about two films per 12 months. The explanation why he solely made two films per 12 months is he was contracted with the studios to make about $100,000 per film. So, on the time within the ’40s and ’50s within the State of California, when Ronald Reagan was making these films, he was in a 94% tax bracket on something that he would earn over $200,000. So for, you realize, widespread sense functions, he wouldn’t work something after these two films had been made and he would simply experience his horses on his ranch and pay his remaining taxes to the State of California.

So, once more, going again to that entire mindset of taxes being at an all-time low proper now, you realize, the highest tax bracket is 35%. And once more, while you return to what Ronald Reagan was paying when he was within the ’40s and ’50s on $200,000, which by the best way, was some huge cash again then. However $200,000, 94% tax bracket, ouch. So, taxes are on sale. So, you realize, what’s actually necessary about this, and I do know that I’m most likely throwing lots on the listeners unexpectedly, and hopefully, they’re taking notes, and going again and listening to this part once more as a result of that is type of an necessary level, the federal deficit proper now, Katie, as we’re speaking in March, is $28 trillion. And to place that into perspective, should you return 1 trillion seconds in the past, that was 31,688 years in the past, 1 trillion seconds. The Nationwide deficit is $28 trillion and we’re excellent on the cusp of including one other $2 trillion stimulus bundle. Individuals should pay for that.

So, while you’re working and also you’re placing cash into tax-deferred accounts, like your 401(okay)s or 403(b)s, something the place it’s important to pay taxes later in life, you may take into account doing a Roth contribution. And that’s tax-free cash. So taxes are on sale. After which the final and I believe crucial factor, and we’ll dive extra into this somewhat bit, however that you must have a written revenue plan. And cash is a kind of issues between {couples} that there’s disagreements. And I misplaced my dad at an early age, and bless my dad’s coronary heart, he was a unbelievable man, he took care of taxes, investments, insurance coverage, the whole lot for my mother, and my two sisters, and myself. And once we misplaced my dad, tragically and unexpectedly when he was 49 years previous, my mother had no clue the place to show. She didn’t know what to do. Now, had my mother had communicated with my dad they usually had a written plan of right here’s once we wanna retire, right here’s how a lot we have to save, and right here’s how a lot revenue we will take out of the retirement plan in order that if considered one of us will get sick sooner or later or each of us that we’re gonna be okay.

You already know, if I had been to be sitting on a aircraft proper now going to Hawaii, and the pilot comes on and he says, “You already know what? I’m excited, girls and gents, to fly you to Hawaii. It’s mild winds and 87 levels. And this aircraft has a 42% likelihood of success of creating it to Hawaii.” I’m probably not certain that I might keep on that aircraft. So, going into your retirement years and never having an precise plan that’s stress-tested for the great and unhealthy and understanding that that plan is gonna work out, that might really be a extremely unhealthy factor. You don’t wanna hope and a prayer plan. You need an precise written revenue plan. So, these are, type of, the three issues to recap, is charges matter, taxes matter, and having an precise written revenue plan.

Katie: I’m glad you introduced that up about taxes. That had all the time been my hesitation with something that was tax-deferred of simply, like, if we take a look at historical past, are the percentages that taxes are going to go up or down? And up appears extra seemingly. And I believe Roths are an incredible choice. For anyone who’s not acquainted with that, are you able to stroll us by means of what a Roth is and the way they work? As a result of I do know that additionally some folks aren’t capable of arrange a Roth.

Michael: Yeah, thanks for asking that. So you actually have buckets that the IRS simply determines you on the way you’re gonna be taxed on one thing. And, type of, the widespread buckets on the market, you’ve heard of an IRA and also you’ve heard of a 401(okay) and 403(b) presumably, these are a tax-deferred bucket. And what meaning is that while you go and also you see your CPA, and your CPA, bless their coronary heart, says, “Hey, you wanna get monetary savings in taxes this 12 months. Go forward and put cash into this 401(okay) or IRA, this tax-deferred bucket, and it’s gonna prevent cash.” Effectively, what lots of people don’t perceive, and it was myself included earlier than I obtained into the trade, is that doesn’t imply that you just’re not paying taxes on that cash. It simply signifies that you’re deferring it to a later level sooner or later. And such as you mentioned, there’s a excessive likelihood of success that taxes are gonna go up sooner or later. In order that’s actually a short-term method, simply saying, “Hey, let’s commerce one thing for proper now that sooner or later may be much more.”

So, lots of people don’t notice that there’s one thing referred to as a Roth IRA. And should you’re working, your employer might have what’s referred to as a Roth 401(okay). And what meaning is that you just’re eligible to place cash into this account. And there are guidelines round it. I’ll go over that in a single second. However there’s an account that you would be able to put cash into the place you’ve already paid the tax. After which as soon as the cash goes into this Roth account or Roth 401(okay), it is going to develop and develop and develop and by no means be taxed ever once more sooner or later. So why does that matter? Effectively, once more, if we take a look at the nationwide deficit, just a few issues are gonna must occur for the deficit to come back down. One, both the federal government’s gonna should spend much less. Yeah, proper. I doubt that’s gonna occur. Or two, what’s gonna occur is that they’re gonna attain into your tax-deferred account and say, “Hey, thanks a lot. We actually admire you working onerous. We’re simply gonna enhance taxes and take extra of your retirement cash in your tax-deferred facet.” However upon getting it into the Roth account, there are completely no taxes that may ever be taken out.

So, once more, that’s why I mentioned, taxes are on sale. And if you wish to purchase one thing, and that you must purchase one thing, and that merchandise is on sale, that most likely is smart at an excellent level to really purchase it whereas they’re on sale. Katie, I do wanna point out, nearly generally folks aren’t conscious, even when they’re incomes an excessive amount of cash…Let me really again that up for one second, how a Roth IRA will work. And this isn’t a Roth 401(okay) however a Roth IRA is should you’re youthful than age 50, you’re allowed to place $6,000 per particular person, per 12 months right into a Roth IRA, that tax-free bucket. If you’re over the age of fifty, you’re allowed to do an additional $1,000 contribution catch-up. So that you and your partner might do $7,000 per particular person per 12 months. Nonetheless, something that’s good for the IRS, they sometimes restrict us. So, there are guidelines and also you wanna undoubtedly speak to a CPA or an accountant and just be sure you’re eligible.

However should you’re incomes an excessive amount of cash, the IRS says, “Hey, sorry, you’re doing too effectively in life. We’re not gonna allow you to put your cash into tax-free.” There are some automobiles on the facet that in case your listeners wanna attain out, we might discuss however there are tax-free options. However going again to that Roth IRA, should you’re incomes an excessive amount of cash, and you’ll’t contribute to a Roth IRA, and also you do have a tax-deferred account, you may be eligible to do what’s referred to as a Roth conversion. And that’s somewhat recognized factor that lots of people don’t notice is that should you say, “Hey, that’s me. I’ve put numerous my cash right into a tax-deferred account, and I really feel like taxes may go up, how do I preserve extra of what’s mine?” Effectively, that you might really do some Roth conversions. And the draw back is, is you gotta pay some taxes to get it into the tax-free bucket. However, once more, like I discussed, taxes are on sale. So, each single particular person has their very own magic tax quantity. It’s a must to know the way a lot is acceptable so that you can convert.

Katie: Yeah, that’s…We had to try this as a result of we didn’t perceive all of this early on both. And so we ended up changing some issues right into a Roth. However I believe one other level right here that’s fascinating to speak about, I do know there’s gonna be complexities. And the reply is totally gonna be that individuals must have private recommendation on this. However what we discovered in addition to there are methods to, as your children become old, construction a few of these issues for them, particularly with regards to a Roth. In the event you personal a enterprise, as an illustration, or have sure forms of work preparations, they will contribute to a Roth as effectively. I do know you realize this world higher. However are you able to, type of, give us that overview for these of us who’ve older children who’re beginning to work?

Michael: Completely. So, one of many guidelines to have in a Roth IRA is it’s important to have what’s referred to as earned revenue. And in case your partner works and also you don’t, and also you’re underneath the IRS high-risk threshold, then congratulations, you’re eligible to do a Roth IRA. Nonetheless, you realize, most of our youngsters who’re younger nonetheless that aren’t working a job, they’re not incomes, you realize, earned revenue, they wanna be capable to say…Excuse me, I ought to say that numerous our shoppers, they wanna train their children concerning the energy of compound curiosity and saving for retirement. So, we use some completely different different automobiles to Roth IRA. Personally, I exploit what’s referred to as an overfunded index common life coverage. And I do know that I’m giving your viewers numerous, type of, in-depth data that may be somewhat bit onerous to digest. And that’s okay as a result of this monetary stuff will be difficult, but it surely may also be actually clear should you simply take your time.

Let me clarify to you why I exploit an overfunded index common life coverage. Once you’re utilizing a life insurance coverage coverage, and I’ve to emphasise this, not all life insurance coverage insurance policies are the identical. Life insurance coverage, they’re a kind of investments that it might really be actually unhealthy so that you can do if it’s not correctly structured or the flip facet of the coin, if one thing is correctly structured, it may be completely superior. So that you all the time should just be sure you’re working with a fiduciary and somebody that actually understands the best way to construction these correctly since you wouldn’t wanna do one thing after which discover out that it was the worst mistake potential to make.

However what will we do for our children as a result of they’re younger, I’ve an 8-year-old, a 5-year-old, and a 2-year-old, they’re not working a job. In order that they don’t have earned revenue. And my spouse and I actually wanna give our children a head begin in life and train them about monetary wellness. So we’re contributing month-to-month to this insurance coverage account for them. And it’s not an enormous sum of money and it doesn’t must be an enormous sum of money. However compounding curiosity makes a giant distinction. And while you get children happening this and beginning at an early age, that actually helps them perceive.

The entire thing concerning the life insurance coverage is that it’s tax-free, identical to the Roth IRA. And, you realize, for me, I earn an excessive amount of that I can’t contribute right into a Roth IRA. And as a enterprise proprietor, I perceive I wanna get as a lot of my taxes out of the best way as potential whereas they’re on sale. So, I personally use for part of my funding technique, this index common life coverage, the place I’m getting that cash right into a tax-free account and it doesn’t have any, type of, phase-outs or restrictions like a Roth IRA does. So the IRS says, “Okay. In the event you’re gonna do that, then we’ll can help you do this.” However once more, it’s somewhat little bit of a fancy scenario however perceive that even should you don’t have earned revenue, or should you’re a enterprise proprietor and also you’re incomes an excessive amount of cash, or just that you just simply wanna get my right into a tax-free different to a Roth IRA, there are alternatives for you.

Katie: Obtained it. That is smart. And I do know it’s, like I mentioned, somewhat bit extra advanced, seek the advice of your individual accountant, however for us, like, proudly owning sure companies and the children capable of work for us at completely different occasions in numerous methods, like, we’re very cautious to trace that. However for anyone who owns a enterprise, there are some methods you are able to do that. Simply be sure to observe the foundations in case your children…

Michael: Yeah, that’s the hot button is observe the foundations, speak to an accountant or a CPA, however there are issues on the market that you are able to do. And also you don’t must observe the lots. As a result of numerous occasions, simply going somewhat off the crushed path and understanding that there are higher choices, and that they’re not generally mentioned as a result of they’re not big moneymakers, that’s gonna be higher for you versus for the advisor.

Katie: Obtained it. After which for my understanding, since it is a retirement car, there’s penalties should you wanna take it out early however there’s additionally I consider, like, some exceptions to that. And from my analysis as effectively, like, generally it’s price doing should you’re capable of make investments by means of a Roth as a result of the penalty can generally be lower than, like, long-term capital good points, as an illustration. So, like, I’ve type of needed to weigh these issues. However are you able to give us an summary of that?

Michael: Positive. And are you referring on the Roth IRA or the life insurance coverage account?

Katie: Sorry, on the Roth IRA, after which I undoubtedly wanna go deeper on the life insurance coverage facet.

Michael: Okay. Sounds good. So, on the Roth IRA, the IRS lets you take cash out of your Roth IRA with out the tax and with out the penalty. Once more, speak to a CPA and simply be sure that it’s best for you. However there are issues like monetary hardship, or should you’re utilizing the cash to go to highschool, or for the primary time house buy in your life, you might really take cash out of your Roth IRA sooner than 59-and-a-half and never incur any type of IRS penalty for doing that.

Katie: Obtained it. Okay. So now, stroll us by means of somewhat bit extra element on…As a result of that is one thing else I’ve been exploring with you and one of many causes I needed to have you ever on right here is utilizing the life insurance coverage facet, primarily as an funding car, as effectively and, type of, simply among the pointers that go together with that.

Michael: Sounds good. So, there’s a extremely good e book by Tony Robbins, and it’s referred to as “MONEY Grasp the Sport.” And it’s an enormous e book, by the best way, and a extremely fulfilling learn too. And that’s the factor that I wanna simply, you realize, inform the listeners right here, don’t be intimidated by these items. Simply begin sluggish and begin studying. It’s like anything. However Tony does a extremely good job about writing the place it’s very easy to know. However it’s I believe on, like, web page 439, he begins speaking about this. And Tony Robbins begins the e book or a chapter on the life insurance coverage by saying, “I used to be launched to this idea by a few of my wealthiest associates.” Now, I believe that Tony Robbins might be a reasonably rich man so when he says a few of his wealthiest associates, there are tax methods. And that’s the one factor that, you realize, once more, folks have to comprehend is that the rich aren’t doing loopy issues like offshore financial institution accounts or some secret accounts the place they’re hiding cash. They’re really simply paying their taxes proper now as a result of while you return to realizing that taxes are on sale, you wanna get as a lot of your cash into tax-free automobiles because it is smart for you. That’s precisely what rich individuals are doing as effectively.

So, how the life insurance coverage idea works, and once more, I all the time wanna encourage folks to simply speak to somebody who understands this idea rather well. However should you do a correctly structured life insurance coverage coverage for a part of your retirement plan, it may be among the best selections that you just made. And right here’s why. One, while you put cash into the life insurance coverage coverage that I’m speaking about, the expansion is completely tax-free. And that’s a giant deal. We’ve already mentioned that. However the draw back to having a Roth IRA and pulling cash out previous to 59-and-a-half, such as you had been speaking about, Katie, is that you just’re gonna get a ten% early withdrawal penalty if it’s earlier than age 59-and-a-half. And that’s on the curiosity. Any cash that you just put right into a Roth IRA, you may all the time take that precept out immediately with none type of penalty. It’s simply the curiosity that might incur a ten% penalty previous to 59-and-a-half.

However with life insurance coverage, there’s really no early withdrawal penalty. The best way the insurance coverage corporations, type of, get round this, is that they do what’s referred to as a mortgage. And this is the reason I used to be saying to the listeners that life insurance coverage will be tweaked the very best curiosity for the consumer or the very best curiosity for the insurance coverage agent doing the coverage. You all the time need it to be in your facet however what numerous insurance coverage folks neglect to say, and I’m giving them the advantage of the doubt there, is that while you take cash out of a life insurance coverage account, they’re not all created equal. Some corporations have what’s referred to as a mortgage provision or a mortgage price, which signifies that, yeah, you’re gonna get that cash out of the life insurance coverage completely tax-free identical to the Roth IRA, however should you don’t take it out with the fitting firm, then the incorrect firm can cost you anyplace from 3% to eight% per 12 months mortgage curiosity in your cash.

There are numerous actually good corporations which have low rates of interest, like 0.5% or 1%. And the insurance coverage firm that I personally use has a assured 0%. So what this implies is that as we’re placing cash in for my spouse, and myself, and my children, and it’s rising over time, if we have to faucet into it for college or we wanna faucet into it for, you realize, some household occasion, or simply to make use of for our retirement sooner or later down sooner or later that’s tax-free revenue, anytime that we wanna take cash out of that account, if we’ve got a 0% mortgage provision, what meaning is that we’re not gonna pay any cash in taxes and we’re not gonna pay any charges. The insurance coverage firm is principally simply loaning our a refund to us at a assured 0%. And that makes an enormous deal.

One different factor too, Katie, that your listeners may be concerned with with the life insurance coverage if it’s correctly structured, you don’t should disclose money worth life insurance coverage on FAFSA varieties. So anytime that your children going by means of college they usually’re filling out a FAFSA type to have the ability to get a grant, that doesn’t, by legislation, should be disclosed. And the unlucky factor is that we don’t need our children who’re working onerous in class to not be eligible to get these grants simply because mother and pa make, you realize, respectable cash of their life. Youngsters must be rewarded based mostly on the efforts that they’re placing in. So, I might go down rabbit gap after rabbit gap on this, however simply to maintain it at a high-level overview, I really like doing the overfunded life insurance coverage insurance policies after they’re correctly structured as a result of I believe it’s, you realize, mixed with a Roth IRA, among the best issues that you are able to do. And once more, that’s getting cash into tax-free accounts.

Katie: That is smart. Yeah, it looks as if with something, once more, the corollary with well being is the sooner you begin, the higher, definitely on these items. And such as you talked about about doing this on your children, even after they’re younger, and it being a lot cheaper when they’re younger, after which it may possibly construct for his or her entire life. So it’s such a bonus for them. And I believe that brings a extremely necessary level as effectively that’s actually gonna resonate with lots of people listening. And that’s, like, with regards to all of this, for many people studying this as adults and being cognizant of wanting to have the ability to move on not simply, like, funds, when it comes to cash and an excellent future to our children, however the abilities and methods to have long-term monetary wellness themselves after they depart house.

And I do know it is a actually necessary space for you as effectively and that you just and your spouse are very intentional in the way you educate your children about this and the conversations you’ve got surrounding cash. I believe that is additionally most likely a tricky level to speak about for lots of households or perhaps dad and mom don’t actually know the best way to, type of, begin these conversations, or the best way to begin instructing these abilities to our children. And I do know it’s actually necessary to you. So, what are among the suggestions you’d give to oldsters as they’re studying this themselves to assist their children be taught and have that sturdy, stable monetary basis as effectively?

Michael: Sounds good. So, go and get your child an ice cream cone after which take a giant chunk out of it earlier than you hand it to them and say that’s taxes, and watch the response on their face. I’m simply kidding. Don’t do this. However the entire thing about being a mum or dad, you realize, and today, it’s so onerous to speak to our children about sure issues, cash being considered one of them. However you realize what? In class, they don’t speak to folks about this. I sit on the board of administrators for Junior Achievement of Utah. That’s the place we’re situated. And Junior Achievement is superior as a result of it principally goes into these faculties and it teaches children nearly cash and teaches them about, you realize, they will work onerous and turn out to be something they need in life. Youngsters don’t have alternative in class on a regular basis, like what Junior Achievement is making an attempt to deliver consciousness to. So it’s our job is the dad and mom to show.

Now, right here’s the deal. I don’t should be a world-class, you realize, bicycle owner to have the ability to soar on a motorbike and attempt to train my children. So, if funds appear formidable to you, then be taught somewhat bit your self after which train your children. And children are fairly…you realize, they soak up this, type of, stuff. And I believe they’re gonna watch, you realize, should you say, “Hey, the rationale why we’re placing cash into this household trip jar is as a result of we wanna get monetary savings or, you realize, if in case you have a job the place you’re mowing lawns otherwise you’re shoveling snow, encourage them, say, “Look, if we really take somewhat little bit of this cash and put it apart and put it into an account the place it’s gonna develop or simply the truth that you’re saving, it’s going to be so significantly better for you.”

So, I assume my recommendation can be, you realize, you don’t should be a professional to show somebody and even simply have that dialog. Make it a household occasion the place you’re studying about this, type of, stuff collectively. Perhaps simply, you realize, honesty isn’t all the time the very best coverage. So should you’re that particular person the place you don’t know a lot about funds, have a household assembly and say, “Hey, guys, you realize what? I wanna do a brand new factor in the home. I wanna study this collectively. And let’s do some little bit of studying.” And clearly, for the children, preserve it at an easier-to-understand degree. However make it a enjoyable factor and present them nearly how as they’re saving and saving or, you realize, doing chores and placing that cash in, it’s gonna develop over time.

Katie: Yeah, precisely. And that’s…I do know you and I’ve talked about this somewhat bit offline as effectively. However you’re proper, college shouldn’t be instructing numerous these foundational abilities. And numerous listeners have heard me say on right here, you realize, faculties not essentially instructing numerous foundational life abilities. These are issues that we as dad and mom nonetheless should be very conscious and cognizant of. And people conversations can occur…Youngsters can perceive a lot from such a younger age. And simply in our household with our bent in direction of entrepreneurship, we type of work the whole lot by means of that type of a mindset. However I believe no matter your investing technique is, no matter these items that you just’re gonna do, it’s an incredible alternative to show your children as you go. Such as you mentioned, you don’t should be good at it to have the ability to begin instructing them, however even simply to present them that mindset early on in life about consciousness about saving and investing, and never simply spending cash and utilizing their cash to create extra wealth long-term, having that at a younger age is such a bonus.

Michael: And I believe that, you realize, lots of people will say, “Effectively, I don’t, you realize, need my child to concentrate on cash.” And I might agree with that. However once more, I made a remark, you realize, in direction of the start of our present right here is that cash is a device, and you’ll actually do good issues and assist folks with it. And should you train your children that, you say, “Look, I’m not making an attempt to earn a living as a result of I wanna be the wealthiest particular person on this planet. I wish to use cash to have the ability to bless the lives of different folks.” And I had talked about about doing, like, charitable issues. The happiest folks in life are the folks which are capable of give away and provides their time or, you realize, monetary sources to lifting different folks. There’s an previous saying, “A rising tide lifts all boats.” And I completely consider that.

So, as we’re speaking to our children, and even for us, proper, as we’re on this quest to earn extra money in life, ask your self, “Why will we wish to earn extra money?” There all the time must be a why. And the why must be, “Hey, I wanna have monetary peace and safety. I don’t wanna be stressed in my life. I don’t wanna fear about the best way to, you realize, make ends meet as a result of I went out and acquired a ship or a facet by facet and it was a frivolous buy that I can’t afford.” Study your self the why and in addition train your children the why. And, you realize, going again to that factor, should you’re not a pleasant particular person, cash is a magnifier. It’s gonna amplify you to a good not nicer particular person. And that’s simply gonna trigger emotional turmoil and stress in your life. However should you can view cash as a device and also you view it as I may also help folks, I can bless the lives of different folks, I really feel like accumulating wealth will probably be a lot extra aligned from a bodily, and emotional, religious standpoint than simply attempt to turn out to be the wealthiest particular person there’s.

Katie: I utterly agree and echo that. After which not solely are we not requiring sources from society to handle ourselves but in addition, like, you mentioned, we’ve got the flexibility to assist others, which is definitely, a extremely enjoyable motivator for me, as effectively. And I believe you’ve made such an excellent level is that the sooner you put together for this, the extra compounding it occurs and also you get to do extra of that all through your entire life. And I’m additionally curious as a result of I’ve been working with you on this. So full disclosure, you might be serving to advise me on numerous these areas, as I be taught. And for anyone listening, who perhaps these are new subjects to you, they usually wanna actually begin getting concerned, what does an optimum situation appear to be? If somebody does have some revenue to place into a few of these completely different automobiles, I’m curious, like, what would you say is simply…? I’m certain there’s, after all, variation from household to household, however what can be some good overarching locations to start out? And likewise, should you’re keen to share, what do you do personally?

Michael: Oh, yeah, I’m all the time keen to share. Transparency, I believe, is admittedly key with all of the shoppers that we work with. So, once more, simply, you realize, as a enterprise proprietor, like your self, numerous my enterprise, I put…excuse me, my development that occurs financially in my life, I reinvest again into our firm. You already know, right here’s somewhat…Okay. And all of your listeners, Katie, they’ve to vow, I’m gonna share a secret proper now, they will’t exit and ever repeat that I mentioned this. However right here it goes. I can’t management the inventory market and neither can every other advisor that I do know. I really feel so significantly better by saying that. And no, I’m simply joking. However the motive why I’m saying that’s as a result of, in all actuality, we will’t management the market. So, my recommendation for the listeners is, hey, as you’re rising and placing your cash someplace, take into account taking a hybrid method, placing a few of your cash into protected automobiles the place it’s going to continue to grow and even when issues just like the inventory market goes down, you gained’t lose cash. After which for a portion of your cash, it’s okay to have somewhat little bit of an up and down and have somewhat little bit of a curler coaster.

However the place lots of people get freaked out concerning the inventory market is that they go, “All proper, effectively, I don’t wanna put my cash in right here to look at one thing like 2008 occur once more the place I lose, you realize, 40% of my retirement, like, at a extremely quick timeframe.” Really, should you return to this previous March, the inventory market had one of many quickest drops in U.S. inventory historical past. It was down virtually 30%, like, actually inside a matter of weeks. And that was loopy as a result of should you return to the early 1900s, it had not fallen that quick. When issues like that occur and when there’s a lot volatility, it scares folks. And, you realize, this is among the triggers why folks don’t get into saving for retirement or investing as a result of they get paralysis evaluation. And that’s, “Hey, if I put my cash into one thing, what if I lose?” Effectively, take a balanced method. Identical to something that you just do in life, you wanna be balanced. Put some cash in a protected account. Put some cash in an account that’s gonna go up and down.

And, you realize, for me, numerous our retirement nest egg is in that tax-free car that I used to be speaking to you about, the Roth IRA. We’ve got a Roth 401(okay) at my work that I contribute to as effectively. And I additionally put numerous my very own private cash into the overfunded common life insurance policies. But additionally, after I put cash into my enterprise, that’s me investing in myself. And sooner or later, you realize, down the street, my enterprise will probably be price one thing that I can promote. In order that’s the best way I take a look at my, you realize, portion of my retirement nest egg. However, you realize, I lose cash in my enterprise, and I name it R&D {dollars}. And what I imply by that isn’t as a result of we made poor enterprise selections, however R&D {dollars} for me is, “Hey, let’s attempt promoting right here,” or, “Hey, let’s attempt, you realize, this monetary piece of software program.” And generally you discover out, oh, shoot, that software program wasn’t nearly as good as what we thought or, hey, you realize, we had been promoting right here, and it wasn’t actually a great spot. I imply, we go right into a calculated and we do the very best we will, however the entire level is, is you may’t management the whole lot.

So, what I’m making an attempt to say for the listeners is have the flexibility to place some cash into one thing that gained’t go down after which put some cash into issues that can go up and down, and be okay with the down, and simply know that that’s a part of life. And that should you’re doing issues persistently, you’re gonna determine what works. Now, one different factor too, Katie, that goes with out saying but it surely’s actually necessary shouldn’t be all advisors are created equal. And that could be a actually, actually necessary level. And what I imply by that’s that your advisor must be a fiduciary and that could be a license. An individual can’t simply say, “I’m gonna be a fiduciary.” And what a fiduciary is, is somebody that morally, legally, and ethically has your greatest pursuits at coronary heart. Our agency is a registered funding advisory agency and we’re fiduciaries. And what meaning is that once we give recommendation to our shoppers, it’s in our consumer’s greatest curiosity, not as a result of I wanna exit and make a purchase order, so I like to recommend one thing to a consumer so I receives a commission a big fee. We don’t do this.

And when your advisor is a fiduciary, then in the event that they’re not providing you with good recommendation, then there’s some critical repercussions that may include that. There may very well be fines, there may very well be lack of license, or there may very well be jail time. And the unhappy factor is that everybody that’s on this trade that’s coping with somebody’s life financial savings must be a fiduciary. And there’s no legislation at the moment that claims that. So, do some little bit of homework. And should you’re, you realize, working with an advisor, ask them, “Are you a fiduciary?” And in the event that they’re not, I might strongly encourage you to work with somebody that’s a fiduciary. So, hopefully, that helps out. I take a balanced method to my life and I notice it’s okay to have some issues go up and down, to spend money on myself, spend money on our firm, to attempt some new issues. However, you realize, the flip facet of the coin is, “Hey, I don’t wanna put the whole lot in danger.” Once we had been all little children, our mama taught us don’t put all of your eggs in a single basket. You wanna diversify. And that’s precisely what it’s best to do.

Katie: Yeah, that’s nice recommendation. And I do know you’ve got some sources in your web site for folks to start out studying extra about these. And I’ll put these hyperlinks within the present notes at wellnessmama.fm for any of you guys listening.

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You talked about Tony Robbin’s e book “MONEY Grasp the Sport,” which I agree is phenomenal. Are there every other sources you’d advocate to folks to continue learning about this?

Michael: You already know, that’s a tough factor as a result of the web is stuffed with opinions. I believe it’s simply discovering somebody that you just belief and that can perceive your scenario and be capable to give good recommendation. And that’s the entire thing about my job is that, you realize, we deliver folks on, like I mentioned, which are nearing retirement or at the moment in retirement. However there are those that we work with that say, “Mike, I’ve no clue the place to start.” And what we actually, type of, geek out on and take pleasure on is saying, “All proper, let’s create this plan for you and present you ways should you’re doing XYZ the way it could make a giant distinction.” As a result of for lots of people, even these which are nearing or proper about to cross the end line for retirement, lots of people don’t notice, “Hey, I’ve gained the monetary recreation.”

And it’s, type of, like going round a working observe the place you’re working and working and working, and also you’re like, “The place’s the end line?” And when you’ve got a plan and somebody, type of, takes the whole lot that you just’ve accomplished, and brings all of it collectively, and also you’re saying, “Hey you realize what? You’ll be able to really retire.” Boy, the peace of thoughts that individuals have, you realize, we get those that cry in our workplace as a result of they really feel so good or they’ll name in or write again and say, “I had the very best sleep of my life.” And what I’m telling any listeners is that, you realize, that may be a good distance out for you. That must be your purpose. That must be one thing that you just work in direction of.

So, I actually like “MONEY Grasp the Sport” from a monetary standpoint. However I wish to share with the listeners a e book that’s actually impacted my life for a extremely optimistic method. And that’s a e book by an creator named Clayton Christensen. And the e book is known as “How Will You Measure Your Life?” And the rationale why I really like this e book is as a result of, first off, Clayton Christensen, he was a Harvard professor. And what he did, right here’s type of, like, the backdrop, he would problem his graduating college students with three easy questions to look at, measure, and enhance all points of their life.

Query primary that he would ask them is, you realize, for them to ask themselves, “How can I make certain that I’ll achieve success and pleased in my profession or life?” Quantity two, “How can I make certain that my relationships with my partner, my youngsters, and my prolonged household, shut associates, and so on. can turn out to be an everlasting supply of happiness of their life?” And the third factor, he says, “How can I make certain that I dwell a lifetime of integrity and keep out of jail?” Now, which may shock somebody after I say keep out of jail. He’s not referring to, like, you make a selection, you’re going to jail. However what he’s referring to is, hey, we’ve got these, you realize, jails, emotionally, bodily, and mentally. You already know, should you don’t train and eat poor meals, you’re principally placing your physique in jail or should you’re getting over into debt that’s pointless, you’re placing your self into this emotional jail. So he’s saying how do you keep out of jail from a complete standpoint? And on a facet notice, I believe there’s a man whose title was Jeff Skilling, he was with Enron, and I believe all you guys know that title. He was additionally in Clayton Christensen’s class at Harvard.

So, “How Will You Measure Your Life?” This e book has actually impacted me for just a few causes. One, clearly, discovering happiness in your life is one thing that everybody is trying ahead to. You already know, he talks about it in his e book. And that’s, type of, the place I’ve been expounding on that concept is that cash shouldn’t be the basis reason behind unhappiness, but it surely turns into an issue when it supersedes the whole lot else. So, with that being mentioned, one of many issues that’s essentially the most impacting second of my lifetime of studying this e book is when he talks about household. And, you realize, Katie, this goes into what we had been speaking a couple of second in the past, nearly instructing our children. Clayton Christensen, he actually emphasizes that our position as dad and mom is to organize our youngsters for the long run. And actually, that the tragedy of right now’s tradition is that we’re outsourcing parenting to different folks, like family, or nannies, and even the colleges or extracurricular actions.

And we’ve actually overpassed the significance of our time, which is admittedly the best present that we can provide one other particular person. Investing our time in one other actually is an indication of respect and love. And it gives this clear sign to others to what’s most necessary in your life. And, you realize, once more, simply going again to that entire factor about staying out of jail is we wanna be capable to steadiness our life. And we wanna be capable to select the fitting selections as a result of it has a compounding impact identical to cash does, proper. Once we do one thing simply this one time as a result of the marginal value seems to be negligible, we get suckered in, after which we get so far in our life, and we’re like, “Gosh, how did I get to this point into debt?” Or, “Oh, my gosh, how come I’m so out of practice?” Or, “Geez, you realize, there’s all these points, proper, to creating good selections.” So, that could be a e book that I might extremely encourage to any listener that wishes to enhance relationships or enhance themselves from a holistic standpoint. “How Will You Measure Your Life?” by Clayton Christensen.

Katie: That’s a brand new one. I really like the advice. I’ll add that to the present notes as effectively so that you guys can discover it. And I believe that recommendation is so necessary too, and ties into the retirement dialog as a result of I hear so typically folks assume that like, “Oh, I’m gonna do these items after I retire.” They usually’re spending all of their time doing different issues now. And I believe this final 12 months particularly has given some folks much more time freedom, or at the least location freedom with regards to work as a result of issues have shifted a lot. However both method, I believe recognizing early on, I say this, on the finish of each podcast, really, that point is our most beneficial asset. And recognizing that early and treating it as such, we don’t have to attend for retirement to dwell points of the life we wanna dwell.

And actually, I believe we’re happier, and more healthy, and contribute higher to different folks into society once we’re capable of work these issues in no matter method we will now. It’s one thing I’ve encouraging my children by means of entrepreneurship as effectively is like, definitely, there are occasions once we’re gonna simply immediately commerce our time for cash however that point can be a side of freedom. So to no matter diploma that you would be able to actually defend your time and who you spend it with, that’s actually a really helpful asset. And cash will be made extra however time can’t.

Michael: That’s proper. And once more, I really feel like crucial issues in our life are the issues that, you realize, can’t be measured, like the scale of a checking account. It’s the flexibility to like, to snicker, to cry, to forgive, to have household relationships, and simply to actually embrace the great that you’ve in your life. As a result of, you realize, Katie, the world is a reasonably risky place proper now, from a political standpoint or simply what’s happening with even the inventory market. There’s numerous uncertainty and it may possibly create anxiousness, however there’s numerous good. And I actually really feel like if we concentrate on the great and we take time to have gratitude and mirror on the issues that’s necessary to us in our life, we’ll discover happiness.

Now, I’m gonna share with you one final thing that my dad shared with me that stood out to me. As my dad all the time mentioned, “Mike, you’re by no means gonna wanna look again in your life and say, ‘Gosh, I ought to have spent extra time on the workplace, or, ‘Geez, I want I might have made extra money.’” On the finish of the day when all of us are out of time, we’re gonna look again on our life and we’re gonna say, “Was I capable of steadiness it? Was I capable of make the world a greater place? Was I capable of take this future era of youngsters and prepare them to be pleased and profitable and to be, you realize, leaders and doers of fine?” And that’s actually what it’s, is start with the tip in thoughts and simply work backwards from there. And that applies to your monetary wellness and it applies to your bodily wellness. You gotta begin on the finish and work backwards.

Katie: Completely. And yeah, concerning that concept of, type of, that long-term pondering and in addition inversion and determining the best way to resolve issues as a long-term equation. Superb recommendation, and particularly with regards to funds as a result of such as you talked about, it’s onerous to have these issues develop shortly in a single day. However over time, it may be actually astounding what can occur. In a way, the youthful we begin engaged on these items and train our children about these items, the extra time freedom and the extra all of these items compound later in life. I do know…I discussed I’ll put your web site within the present notes for folks to seek out you in the event that they wanna get in contact. However are you able to additionally simply tell us anyplace they will discover you on-line or one of the simplest ways to attach?

Michael: Yeah, sounds good. So our firm is Capital Wealth Advisors in Lehi, Utah. There’s for some motive a few different Capital Wealth Advisors, however that isn’t us. So the very best factor you might do is should you wanna get in contact and should you obtained some questions, I’m more than pleased to level you in the fitting route and assist out, so our web site is capitalwealth.com, capitalwealth.com or you may attain out to me on LinkedIn, Michael Stevens, Capital Wealth Advisors. And if anybody would love, you’re welcome to simply give our workplace a name, 801-210-2800. And I admire you placing all that within the notes. We’ve got the nicest workers on this planet. So, if it is a daunting factor for you, should you’re new, simply getting began and also you want some good recommendation, you’re gonna be greeted by the warmest, nicest folks on this planet as a result of our workers solely works with good folks as a result of they’re good folks. Give us a name. We can provide you some route. Even when we don’t work collectively, we’re all the time pleased to pay it ahead and begin folks out on the fitting foot.

Katie: Superb. I’ll once more put these within the present notes at wellnessmama.fm. For any of you guys listening while you’re driving or exercising, you’ll find all the issues we’ve talked about there. And I’ll hyperlink to these books you’ve talked about as effectively. I’m excited to take a look at the “How Will You Measure Your Life?” one. I simply put it in my Amazon cart. And Michael I admire on a private degree you serving to me be taught all of these things, and particularly your time right here right now and sharing with everybody else. I’m very grateful that you just had been right here, and thanks.

Michael: Hey, it was enjoyable. And I really like instructing folks and, Katie, you and your loved ones are superior. Thanks a lot for having me on.

Katie: And as I say, and it was reiterated on this episode, I mentioned this each time, thanks for listening, for sharing your most beneficial asset, your time, your power with us right now. We’re each so grateful that you just had been right here, and I hope that you’ll be a part of me once more on the subsequent episode of the “Wellness Mama” podcast.

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